Cultural differences between Toronto and Mississauga are evident at land use planning meetings

On April 4, 2018, I attended a meeting of the Long Branch Neighbourhood Association at the Royal Canadian Legion Branch 101, which is located on Lake Shore Blvd. West near the Long Branch GO station. The location is a short walk from the Mississauga-Toronto border.

The key topic was the Long Branch Neighbourhood Character Guidelines, as I will report at a separate post.

West beach at Marie Curtis Park, April 4, 2018. Jaan Pill photo. Click on image to enlarge it; click again to enlarge it further.

West beach at Marie Curtis Park, which is located south of the Long Branch GO station on the Lake Ontario shoreline, April 4, 2018. Jaan Pill photo. Click on image to enlarge it; click again to enlarge it further.

In a separate series of posts, I have also been posting transcripts from a YouTube video of the Nov. 14, 2017 Etobicoke York Community Council meting, at which the Character Guidelines were unanimously adopted.

No direct quotes from Toronto City staff

In my upcoming report on the April 4, 2018 meeting, I have recreated the Q & A, which was at the heart of the meeting, as a re-enactment of what took place, using paraphrases of what people said, instead of using direct quotations of any kind.

The purpose of the current post is to share some reflections, that have occurred to me, concerned with some cultural differences, between how things are done in Mississauga as compared to Toronto.

The back story proceeds as follows.

When I report on public meetings I often record them, to ensure my quotes are accurate, as is standard journalistic practice.

With regard to the April 4, 2018 Q & A, however, I was not permitted to make a recording, in either audio or video format.

That made for an interesting state of affairs.

I did not record the Q & A, and no direct quotes are included in the text that I’ve created. Instead, the whole Q & A has been written as a series of paraphrases – in a sense, a re-enactment, based on my notes from the meeting – of what took place.

Whatever protocols are in place, regarding a meeting that I’m interested in writing about, I follow closely. Most of the time, I am free to record at will; the current circumstance (that is, with regard to permission to record at the April 4, 2018 meeting of the Long Branch Neighbourhood Association) is an exception.

Oct. 11, 2017 Lakeview Ratepayers Association AGM

By way of illustration of recording practices elsewhere, last year, among many other public meetings that I have attended in Mississauga over the past decade, I attended the Oct. 11, 2017 AGM of the Lakeview Ratepayers Association.


Mayor Bonnie Crombie speaks at AGM of Lakeview Ratepayers Association, Oct. 11, 2017. Jaan Pill photo

Among the speakers at the latter meeting were Ward 1 Councillor Jim Tovey and Major Bonnie Crombie among other City of Mississauga officials. I audio recorded the entire event, and video recorded key segments. Nobody questioned, for a moment, what I was doing there, and asked me if I had permission to record.

I can add that, as a blogger,  it’s been clear that Jim Tovey was a strong supporter of my website, from the moment that he first visited the site.

Councillor Jim Tovey, Oct. 11, 2017. Jaan Pill photo

Councillor Jim Tovey speaks at AGM of Lakeview Ratepayers Association, Oct. 11, 2017. Jaan Pill photo

Jim Tovey liked the fact I was writing detailed posts about innovative, community-driven, Mississauga-based projects, such as the Lakeview Waterfront Connection project and equally innovative redevelopment projects in Port Credit.

Land-use planning meetings in Toronto and Mississauga

In Toronto, City officials are, perhaps, a little less aware that bloggers can serve beneficial roles in their communities, and can – if so permitted – help to get the story out, regarding great initiatives that may be happening, in local communities located to the east of the Mississauga-Toronto border.

That said, Toronto has a different culture, in relation to attitudes toward citizen engagement, based on a different history, and thus it makes sense that each municipality will approach things in the way that best suits their purposes.

In terms of atmosphere at urban-planning meetings, on occasions such as recent meetings in Port Credit, where developers, residents, municipal officials, and politicians get together, in Mississauga the “feeling in the air” on such occasions is typically good-spirited, with respect for each person’s point of view, and a distinct sense of “We’re in this together.”

The sentiment, most frequently encountered, at such meetings, is: “We know for sure, that we can find a way that will lead to a great design, that in the end will closely reflect the key positions of all of the sides, without exception, in this suitably spirited debate, that we all have the pleasure to be engaged in.”

In Toronto, at least in south Etobicoke, the atmosphere, at meetings concerned with land-use planning issues, at times the atmosphere is positive, as at meetings of the Long Branch Guidelines Advisory Group, which had a series of meetings during development of the Guidelines.

Feeling in the air, when land-use planning is the topic at hand

At other times, as toward the end of the April 14, 2018 Q & A, the “feeling in the air” that “we’re all in this together” tends to be absent. Not infrequently, Toronto residents express anger at such meetings, and not infrequently, City officials deal with the situation by shutting down the discussion.

I have yet to encounter a situation at a similar meeting in Mississauga, where a City official would have felt it necessary to shut down a discussion, in response to the fact that residents were not satisfied with the answers they were hearing.

The underlying reality, in the case of the Mississauga land-use planning meetings, that I have attended over a period of close to a decade, is that officials are genuinely interested in the views of residents, and make every effort to ensure their views are closely taken into account. Given this reality, it would be unlikely for a discussion to be terminated, in the way that it regularly occurs, from what I have observed, at similar meetings in Etobicoke.

The differences in approaches, reflecting divergent cultural histories, is among the subjects I am exploring for an upcoming book about the local histories of the waterfront communities on either side of the Mississauga-Toronto border.

1 reply
  1. Jaan Pill
    Jaan Pill says:

    The distinction we are dealing with, with regard to the general tone and tenor of public meetings, on either side of the Mississauga-Toronto border, is brought forward, at this post, because I see it as a key and inescapable consideration, when we look at community engagement anywhere.

    In the one case (Mississauga) the feeling is: “We are devoted to collegiality. We are in this together. We are working together to establish the best possible next steps in the redevelopment of our wonderful, inspiring, and exciting community. We listen closely to each other. We treat each other with respect and consideration.”

    In the other case (Toronto) the hope and aspiration of many people – at least from what I can gather anecdotally, through my first-hand observations (whether recorded or not) from community meetings where many residents are in attendance – is that the model of collegiality, described above, will in years forward also become a key part of the civic-engagment culture of local communities, east of the Mississauga-Toronto border.

    What is currently in place, by way of the “feeling in the air” in south Etobicoke, is one of celebration of the major steps forward (as in development of the Long Branch Neighbourhood Character Guidelines) – and also of confrontation, unanswered questions, and a sense of frustration on the part of residents attending meetings and hearings.

    The sense of frustration is equally evident on the part (from what I can gather, from what I have observed anecdotally, on a first-hand basis) of City staff and officials (including COA members at COA meetings), whose task appears to be to bring the discussion to a close, before it intrudes upon a desire for decorum) when the inevitable question arises (and I paraphrase) from one or another angry resident:

    “Why does the local Committee of Adjustment get away with stomping the standard protocols of English language usage into the ground?”


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