Question from Darryl Wade regarding Marlborough Golf Club in Cartierville

This is the first photo, that Klaas has emailed, to accompany his comment.

This is a photo that Klaas Vander Baaren has shared at a previous post about the caddy shack at the Marlborough golf club in Cartierville. Photo source: Klaas Vander Baaren.

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Darryl Wade writes:

I grew up in Ville St. Laurent on Somerset Road. Our house backed on to the Marlborough Golf Course. My father was a member until 1965 when the course closed to make way for a housing development. My brothers were junior members and club caddies.

I’m looking to find a scorecard for the course. Or a re-creation of the scorecard capturing the yardages etc.

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If you can help with Darryl’s quest for a scorecard, please let us know.

Comments from Bob Carswell

I wrote to Bob Carswell, after receiving the above-noted message from Darryl Wade, and asked is Bob could explain what relationship the Marlborough gold course has to Ville St. Laurent. In reply, Bob wrote:

To answer your question, Somerset Road was partly in Cartierville and partly in St. Laurent. It still is to this day. Only thing is I am not sure where the dividing line is….I thought it was just above the old skating rink but I could be wrong. I would have to ask my cousin who lived on it.

Yes, it did back on to the Marlborough Golf and Country Club which went from a block north of Gouin right to the railroad tracks going to St. Eustache. I particularly remember the caddy tournament I played in some years before it closed (probably in the 1950s for me) and the 17th hole over a water hazard which was a par 3 and I got a hole-in-one on it. It will take a bit of work but I might have a route to some specific info if I get a moment to find it.

I just went back to the old site and noted the lengthy discussion we had on my 70th birthday that Jaan wrote about. I added some info [below] to it.

Because of where Somerset Road was located relative to Cartierville School. People who live up in St. Laurent but could not get to a St. Laurent school from there without driving down Somerset Road into Cartierville first, I guess an arrangement was made for them to attend Cartierville School as Klaus Vanderbaron, Barclay Allen, my cousins, and others did. When I was in Grade 4 in 1954 we attended class at the old Church of the Good Shepherd (built 1922) across the street and because of the babyboom, there were two classes taught side by side. I remember identical twins, Robbie and Wallace assigned one each to the two classes.

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At a previous post, entitled Additional comments from Graeme Decarie – regarding Saraguay, Cartierville School, and Marlborough golf club, Bob Carswell has added a comment, which I’m reposting by way of bringing attention to it:

On May 22, 2019 Bob Carswell wrote:

I always note the coincidences. My 70th birthday was on November 18th when Jaan first wrote this. I took myself out for a steak expected to die by age 70 due to all of my disabilities. It is now mid-2019 and I am headed for 75. Who knew? Anyway, to answer a few points, I caddied for Elmer Lach at Marlborough. His face was full of scars as were many of those who played without defensive masks in those days. Also there were two caddy shacks, one as Eric Karbin described (an oipen air one right outside the pro shop and then the other at the end of Bruton Road’s walkthrough. They made a switch to the old shelter set up opposite the clubhouse on the east side of the 9th hole to clean up the image outside the pro shop. I worked out of both as a C then a B caddy. Marlborough was a source of income for most of us and no doubt was the first place I met a lot of you as caddying was in my blood with my great uncle building his house at the end of the 8th hole. It was located on Bruton Road, a place we regularly visited as his wife was the only living relative of my deceased grandmother (McKInleys of Ottawa) who survived beyond their 50s. She died at 56 and lost 3 siblings between 33 & 51. I have outlived all by their father so far. He lasted to 87.

On May 22, 2019 Jaan Pill wrote:

Good to read your comment, Bob. We are doing well.

Your comment prompted me to bring this post up to date, by way of reconfiguring it so that it functions as part of the newly designed website. This is a process that I’m working at gradually, with the aim of reconfiguring all of the posts, at this site.

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  1. Bob Whyte
    Bob Whyte says:

    I also caddied at the course and just to add one of my school mates was a Gregory Guard his father was the head grounds keeper he lived on Summerset past the Wades house. I believe his house was at the border line of St laurent. and Cartierville. Gregory was killed in a tragic accident in St Laurent near Blue Bonnets race track off Decarie blvd.

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    • Jaan Pill
      Jaan Pill says:

      Good to know of this detail Bob. I lived a ways east of the golf course but caddied a few times. I found it of interest to read that both Cartierville and St. Laurent had a geographical connection to the course.

      I’m hoping that someone has an old scorecard, which Darryl Wade is seeking to locate.

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  2. Jaan Pill
    Jaan Pill says:

    Bob Carswell in a May 23, 2019 message has added to the discussion; I’ve included extracts from his message below. I will start with the comments from his cousin, namely:

    Bill’s comments from old memories of living on Somerset Road in St. Laurent:

    “We lived in the Ville St. Laurent section. Montreal (Cartierville) began after the next 3 houses to the north towards the river. The park on the east side of Somerset was just north of the cross street in the Cartierville section. The old CNR spur line and freight sidings to the Cartierville station were taken out some years ago. The Marlborough Golf Course was sold for development in the early 1960s.”

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    Bob Carswell comments, in response:

    My cousin verifies my thoughts

    My cousin got back to me. He confirmed that the road on the south side of the park (Rue Laurin) where we skated in winter in a rink set up there was actually just inside the borders of Cartierville. I then thought to look it all up on Google Maps and found my answers.

    I think that would put Claudia Kurland’s house as the first one inside of Cartierville’s border as it was just south of that street or as Bill puts it, the border was 3 houses north of his house however, today with expansion, I can still find Cousin Bill’s old house and the Kurland’s house but there are now a few more than 3 houses between there and Rue Laurin.

    If you look at Google maps for Somerset Road which are current as 2019 photos of the street, you will find that the border between Cartierville and St. Laurent is identified by a sign just south of Rue Laurin (keeping in mind that the main central part of the City of Montreal was south of this area.)

    The Kurlands and my parents were all former WWII military types who partied together. My parents got involved with the Somerset social group which my uncle belonged to and he met the family there. Bud Kurland became a good friend of my father along the way during that period. One of their social activities was going bowling in Laval as I recall…I also filled in occasionally for a missing player.

    Note when you look at Google maps for Somerset Road and especially that the old park Bill refers to below the whole area is now being turned into something else as they have it all boarded up and there is a French sign talking about dynamite blasting. Perhaps it will be turned into another Cartierville high rise? Something more to add to your story.

    I will continue to see if I can get more details on the actual Marlborough Golf Course links and distances. Attached are Bill’s comments, however Google Map photos of August 2018 indicate that the school is totally boarded up although the grounds are being nicely kept and remind me of the seven years when I went to school there. (It was our main playground pre-1957 when I graduated.) I then headed into the city for the old High School of Montreal for 3 years and its sidewalk campus before transferring to MCHS back in Cartierville in 1960 when it opened.

    One thing you should note in your comments is that every house you see on the west side of Somerset from Bruton Road to the CNR tracks on the south side but west of the old Val Royal train station bordered the east side of the golf club. Bruton Road did the same on the north side of the old Marlborough golf course. As a result, when we went to visit either of them, I could find an occasional golf ball in both my cousin’s yard on Somerset and in my great Aunt’s yard off Bruton Road, if they had not been collected by the guys who hit them there.

    Here is a little added coincidence that you might find interesting about Cartierville. The old CNR train station there that I used for years was recreated in a classic jigsaw puzzle after it was torn down. The company that made the puzzle also had about 7 other classic buildings or houses in the puzzle collection.

    One of those other puzzles was of a house in Kingsmere, Quebec, 17 miles from Ottawa and opposite the old Mackenzie King Estate there. It also happened to be one of the McKinley family homes….(my grandmother from Westmount and great aunt from Bruton Road in Cartierville were Ottawa McKinley sisters who married in Ottawa and settled in Montreal where their husbands worked). So, out of 8 puzzle designs they sold, I can personally connect with two of the locations.

    I hope I have answered all the questions and added a bit of interesting history.

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  3. Jay Anthony Swarbrick
    Jay Anthony Swarbrick says:

    Hi, my name is Jay Swarbrick, My father was the last full-time golf pro at Marlborough. He was the head pro there for a couple of decades. I have fond memories of the place and many of the people. As a pre-schooler, I caddied and worked in the back pro shop cleaning clubs when they came off of the course and maintained the golf carts. My brother Jim Jr. did the same. My mother, Betty, worked in the pro shop selling golf equipment and renting the gold carts. It was a family affair, for sure. Sadly, mom and dad are gone now.

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    • Jaan Pill
      Jaan Pill says:

      Wonderful to read your message, Jay. From your description, I can picture the scene – with all of the family closely involved. I never knew your mom or dad, but my sense is they were good people who lived productive lives, in a beautiful setting.

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    • Jaan Pill
      Jaan Pill says:

      Graeme Decarie wrote on Jan. 6, 2020:

      I was many hours as a happy caddy at marlborough. Then there was always a great hot dog lunch at a place across the street from the park. And then a visit to the shooting gallery at the park.

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  4. michael midgley
    michael midgley says:

    caddied many years there and recognize some of the names in post. played in caddy tournament many times. mr rose was the caddy master!. still have clubs given to me by mr armstrong whom i caddied for regularly. remember elmer lach and bernie geffrion in a group with caddies.

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