The stream that used to run through Cartierville in Montreal was called Raimbault Creek

Extract of a 1949 map of Cartierville that Tim Hewlings has located

Tim Hewlings of Montreal has confirmed that the creek in Cartierville, that I discussed in a previous post, a post that has been widely read, and that has been described as “very evocative” – it’s great to get that kind of feedback – by a recent site visitor, was called Raimbault Creek.

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The creek now runs entirely underground.

Tim Hewlings has also shared with us an extract of a 1949 map of Cartierville that he found. This is a wonderful archival document. I much appreciate the opportunity to share the section from the map.

George E. Cartier, 1871. 1873, Picture - Public Domain. Source: Digital Archive, Toronto Public Library website

Cartierville named after George-Etienne Cartier

1907 map, which includes an image of Raimbault Creek as it existed at the time. The early map, Tim Hewlings (MCHS '63) notes, is from: A. R. Pinsoneault, Atlas of the Island and city of Montreal and Ile Bizard, s. l., The Atlas Publishing Co., vers 1907 found on the BANQ website. click on the map to enlarge it.

I’m also pleased to say that I’ve recently confirmed, by talking with Grade 8 students who have been doing a history project, that Cartierville is named after George-Etienne Cartier (1814-1873).

A 1983 review of two books about Cartier describes him as “an elusive figure in Canadian history.” Among other topics the review, which I found highly engaging, highlights the history of the Sulpicians, who among other things were involved in the colonization of the land on the north shore of the island of Montreal that became known as Cartierville.

I’ve recently been reading George-Etienne Cartier: Montreal Bourgeois (1981), a book that is regarded favourably in the above-noted review. The book adds to my appreciation of William Faulkner’s observation that “The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”

Cartier’s hair style

Sample quote (p. 38) from the above-mentioned study:

“Cartier’s rising income allowed him to indulge his inherited bourgeois tastes. In its simplest form this meant attention to comfort, food, furnaces, carpets, and gas-lighting. However, Montrealers of Cartier’s rank sought more than storm windows, a full stomach, and a large house. The perception of Cartier by English Canadians as an unaggressive French-Canadian bon vivant obscured his serious social ambitions that are attested to by his wine cellar, servants, library, and hotel bills, by his stable, fruit trees, and country estate, by his military commission, baronetcy, coat of arms, uniforms, and hair style.”

American Revolutionary War; War of 1812

As well (p. 47): “Service as an officer in the Canadian militia was a traditional form of status for the francophone élite. As we have seen, Cartier’s grandfather had aided the British in the American Revolution and had become a lieutenant-colonel in the Verchères militia. Cartier’s father had served as a lieutenant and paymaster in the War of 1812. In 1847 Cartier himself, just ten years after being charged with treason, was appointed a captain in the Montreal Voltigeurs militia unit. He established the Ministry of Militia Affairs in 1861 and chose militia as his portfolio after Confederation.”

George-Etienne Cartier. Source: Archives of Manitoba

1964

Given that we’re dealing with the 1960s era with regard to the upcoming 2015 Malcolm Campbell High School reunion, I was also interested to read an April 30, 2014 New Yorker article entitled “The 1964 World’s Fair wasn’t that great.” The article prompts reflection about aspects of the cultural history of the 1960s. Some things have changed. Some things are better now. Some things are worse. What matters most of all is the present moment.

 

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  1. Jaan Pill
    Jaan Pill says:

    I’ve corrected the original text, so that it says MCHS. This is exciting – to know about such archival resources!

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  2. Graeme Decarie
    Graeme Decarie says:

    I remember the creek very well from the years before MCHS was built. When I was a Boy Scout, I spend many a weekend walking down the country road that is now the Laurentian Autoroute, usually with my .22 rifle to shoot a tin cans and other threats.
    (I’m not actually an MCHS grad, just a teacher. I left in 1963 to go back to school.)

    graeme decarie

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    • Jaan Pill
      Jaan Pill says:

      Wonderful to read your message, Graeme.

      .22 rifles were a popular item in those days; I didn’t realize they were used along the country road that is now the Laurentian Autoroute. That’s a great detail to know about.

      The MCHS Sixties Reunion welcomes teachers at its reunion on Oct. 17, 2015. We welcome your participation and the participation of other teachers who taught at MCHS in the 1960s, or who taught students who attended in the 1960s but who graduated in the 1970s.

      The MCHS Sixties Reunion is for all students who attended in the 1960s, at any point, including those who started in the 1960s and graduated in the 1970s. Teachers who taught any of these students are most welcome at out reunion.

      Anything that you can do, Graeme, in spreading the word among former MCHS teachers and administrators, who worked with the 1960s cohort, would be much appreciated.

      As well, we welcome photos (from prewar times to the present day) from teachers and administrators, that we could post at this website and display as foamcore reproductions at Old Mill Toronto in October 2015 as part of the reunion.

      As well, we would much enjoy posting an essay or report or reports from you or other teachers about any topic of interest to the MCHS Sixties students.

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  3. Norman Bates
    Norman Bates says:

    As late as the mid-1960s, I do remember riding my bicycle into Ville St. Laurent and encountering the final remnant of Raimbault Creek, that section of which buried into pipes soon afterwards beneath what is now Hartenstein Park.

    I wonder if anyone can identify the source of and have any further information about the so-called “Drouin Ditch”–a creek which ran through part of Dollard des Ormeaux, on through Cloverdale Park in Pierrefonds, to eventually end up connecting into the Ruisseau Bertrand and finally at Riviere des Prairies at the former town of Saraguay just east of Autoroute 13 where it crossover the river. A wooden walkway and nature trail currently exists there.

    The “Drouin Ditch” was finally placed underground into pipes around 1970-71 after years of complaints by residents whose children often played in and around the polluted water.

    The 1907 map on this webpage shows it near the top left corner entering cadastre 300 and continuing eastward.

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